Most adviser fee models are not producing acceptable profit

Most ongoing fee models are not producing an acceptable standalone profit, according to a financial advice consulting firm.

Peloton Partners chief executive, Rob Jones, said most of the expenses of an advice firm’s profit and loss were from the delivery of ongoing advice and implementation of that advice.

He said most advice firms operated single factor pricing models that priced the wealth of clients only or segmented clients by how much revenue they were paying the business. However, this kind of model did not recognise that clients could be complex no matter their financial position, client needs were varied, the regulatory and legislative environment was always changing, and business costs were never static.

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“Most pricing frameworks are unhealthy and are not doing what they should be doing and the level of profit that’s been delivered is around 15%,” he said.

Jones said when firms stripped out non-recurring revenue it would reveal the ongoing pricing model. While some might make a profit, he said, it was barely and not at a sustainable level.

“At this level you’re operating a small, risky business when you should be targeting a return between 30% to 35% on your ongoing service,” he said.

Jones noted that most of the pricing issue came from ineffective single pricing models that “made no sense and had no relevance to the issues the clients faced and for the profit of the business”.

“I'm not saying that advisers are ripping off clients. It's that historical models just haven't kept pace and have not changed whilst everything else has changed,” Jones said.

“It's not an issue of ethics of running a percentage-based fee on funds under management or a fixed fee and beating your chest that you already a fixed fee firm. It's got nothing to do with it. It's got to do whether or not that model is complex and sophisticated enough to price sophisticated clients circumstances. That's what is important.”

Jones noted that advisers were “dumbing down” their value even though financial advice made a genuine difference to clients.

“Clients value the advice they receive and this is not an issue of needing to sexy up your service offering by trying to provide clients with big fancy things,” he said.

Jones said some advice firms he worked with had tripled fees and some had gone backwards if needed.

“But in every single case, it's never been an issue of clients not valuing the advice. It’s advisers not valuing what they do. Its advisers not valuing the advice enough so clients aren't the issue. You're the issue, we're the issue,” he said.

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I ding it interesting that up until recently Rob was a shareholder in a licensee that charge the same flat fee to all planners. This seems at odds with what he says here? Maybe that’s why he sold out? Do as I say not do as I do….

hmm, interesting, their model also runs managed accounts based around low cost Dimensional FA funds, charging a clip for the fum, so that is really where the money was made I believe, but hey when you're a retired wealthy consultant, you can take the pedestal!

Never let some corporate wombat tell you how you should get paid. That is how so many advisers got conned into moving from % asset based to fixed cost. When costs went through the roof they had to go cap in hand asking for fee increases from clients.

Well said.

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