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To Davey's well written comment. There is no rational debate left, and yes I have gotten to that point as well with these people e.g. Hedware. I just don't care what they think or say. I don't because they never did care about rational debate. It is just activism and trouble making. On that last issue I point specifically to the CEO of Choice and his self description in his bio as a "Trouble Maker". Is that it mate? Is that all you amount to is a "Trouble Maker". How is that helpful? And how is it helpful that ASIC directly funds these "Trouble Makers" to the tune of tens of millions of dollars. Davey is exactly right. This is a FAR BIGGER social issue. Stop voting for the major parties.