Fund manager payments breed scepticism

18 December 2009 | by Mike Taylor

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Vanessa McMahon

Ratings houses that rely on fund manager payments as their main source of revenue are not fully trusted by financial planners.

That is the bottom line of new research conducted this month by Wealth Insights, which also suggested some dealer groups might need to change the nature of their relationship with their research providers.

The research, which comes at the same time as a number of research house principals have been debating their commercial models, also pointed to the need for some of them to remove the perception that fund managers could actually pay for their ratings.

The Wealth Insights research found that 64 per cent of respondents either agreed or strongly agreed that a conflict of interest was likely to exist if research houses were paid by fund managers for their ratings.

Importantly, 26 per cent of respondents were neutral in their response, while only 10 per cent suggested that no conflict existed.

Wealth Insights managing director Vanessa McMahon said the result showed that financial planners were clearly concerned about the potential for a conflict of interest when research houses relied on fund managers as their main source of revenue.

She suggested that the problem ran even deeper for the research houses and the fund managers in circumstances where planners also held concerns about the ultimate impartiality of the ratings provided.

McMahon pointed to the fact that only 30 per cent of respondents believe research houses could offer impartial advice when fund managers paid for their ratings, with 29 per cent suggesting there could be no impartiality and 42 per cent being neutral.

She said in the focus groups that had accompanied her research, planners had concerns that fund managers were prepared to “buy a rating”.

McMahon said the degree to which planners were uncomfortable with existing researcher remuneration models was indicated by the fact that 45 per cent had said they either disagreed or strongly disagreed with fund managers being able to pay research houses for ratings.

Indeed, the Wealth Insights survey revealed that only 22 per cent of respondents agreed with such arrangements.

The research also pointed to a recent dampening in sentiment among financial planners as the rapid recovery in markets took a pause in October and early November. The Wealth Insights Adviser Sentiment Index, which recovered strongly between February and late September, showed a dip in October but remained in positive territory.


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  1. kristof | 31 December, 2009 at 01:38 PM
    Indeed "not here to be popular", I agree with your sentiments, except with your comment on recommending Industry Funds. The facts are that Industry Funds have their own Financial Planners outsourced by the trustee. If you are standing, this news may shock you, so please take a seat - Financial Planners who provide advice on behalf of Industry Super Funds do not recommend other products due to their APL, and worse still, these Industry Funds do not pay ANY FEES to Financial Advisers who they do not outsource to. Forget commissions, even a flat fee, or any fee for that matter. What could be worse than an incredibly small APL, and no OPTION FOR PAYMENT for advice from the product if you are not an aoutsourced party. That sounds fair doesn't it? - Sure, let's all put our hands together for the almighty industry super fund "Gang Symbol:.
  2. not-here-to-be-popular | 22 December, 2009 at 06:29 PM
    I think my comments on a previous article are just as valid here.... Oh please. Lets open this up. I, like us all have worked in this game for a long time in lots of roles - Public/private/advice/sales. Firstly, it’s far too convenient for advisers crying poor over industry funds and their ‘smokes and mirrors’ approach to advertising. No different to the collective millions spent by your masters on same (Billy Connelly, anyone?). Here’s the truth. You have been on the gravy train for far too long. Obscene remuneration practices (clipping a % of people’s SG conts, nil entry fee products, Agribusiness)....and money for jam generally. You are all a little upset & precious that your fabulous party is coming to the wee hours of the morning, and could well be over soon. Don’t get me wrong. The value of good advice is priceless, and there are many thousands of outstanding practitioners out there. But please, enough with the clutching of any straw that threatens your closed shop. You have had one of the most enormously relatively unregulated opportunities to make lots of money doing relatively little for a LONG time. I know. I’ve entertained/worked with/for you for years. 100’s of you have told me in intricate detail. You are collectively not considered professionals by the community as you would like for good reason. No fiduciary duty. AR obtainable within 3 weeks, 80% of you are slaves to your institutional masters, channelling money into their products (how often do you recommend industry funds?). Try to get 3-4x revenue for selling a law firm medical practice. BOLR. Dealer overrides. Shelf space fees. Volume rebates. Glamorous, o/s conferences. VERY few people quite legitimately have zero time for your tales of woe. Boo Hoo. All have a role to play including Fund Mangers, Platforms & regulators but you and your lobby groups need to concentrate on advocating for the structural change the whole industry needs and things might be different.
  3. Chad | 22 December, 2009 at 03:31 PM
    Jeremy Smith, as much as I get entertained reading your negative comments and the reactions you get, I cant understand why you even read a Financial Planning trade publication in the first place. Do you go on other sites just to be a pain in the arse and make uninformed (& stupid) comments?
  4. Marcus | 22 December, 2009 at 03:17 PM
    Jeremy, you seem to be doing a lot of whinning yourself! I would also love to know your position? Industry super funds are not very good at disclosing their operations. I agree that commissions should be banned. Clients will be charged as an adviser fee only, and will be able to be negotiated with their adviser. What then will industry super funds complain about?
  5. Scott | 22 December, 2009 at 09:37 AM
    I work for an industry fund and we all have to read the Communist Manifesto before work and exposed tattoos of the Southern Cross are funded as part of our employee wellbeing benefits.
  6. Greg | 21 December, 2009 at 11:36 PM
    No Jeremy I have not missed the point. You are just trying to start a 'new order' and your followers are brain washed like you are...... Time and time again we are all aware the Labour party is trying to look after their mates in Industry (Union) Funds=its as simple as that. To use high level rationale that is irrational in the read world-except to Industry Fund followers who will repeatedly use the same pathetic line-"Financial Planners commissions should be banned as all they do is bleed innocent members of the public's superannuation funds dry". You have not listened to rationale that I have demonstarted nor other people who obviously sound intellectual and make commonsense in trying to educate you what happens in the real world-something you conveniently keep ignoring.
  7. chris | 21 December, 2009 at 07:20 PM
    Hello Jeremey Smith if that is your real name. Why don't you tell us what profession / industry you work in - in light of full disclosure. How many people have you helped reach their financial goals. I am sure that a lot of people would be interested to hear about all the goodwill that you have done in your life. Please do tell?
  8. Jeremy Smith | 21 December, 2009 at 04:36 PM
    Read the article again Greg – you seem to have missed the point. Industry funds, stock brokers etc are not the ones whining about payments to ratings agencies - it’s the financial advisers. Pot, kettle – brilliant stuff.
  9. PaulG | 21 December, 2009 at 01:19 PM
    Of course I wonder if the same advisers/dealers would be prepared to pay the massive increase in the cost of reasearch that is not subsidised by fund managers. Ultimately somebody has to pay for the work. The fund manager, the adviser, the dealer or the client. I agree a potential conflict exists, but lets face it. most advice providers till now have been able to support profitable businesses with highly subsidised products and services. Are we really ready for advisers and clients paying full freight for the services they get directly?
  10. Greg | 21 December, 2009 at 12:44 PM
    Jeremy, again you are misinformed.Ratings agencies world wide contributed to the GFC. I note that IFS and other industry funds invest in some share funds from what I understand and other assets that are rated by Ratings Agencies. Likewise stockbrokers rely on these ratings agencies too-not just planners thank you.
  11. Jeremy Smith | 21 December, 2009 at 12:26 PM
    So Brett, perhaps you can then explain why 99% of commissioned advisers refuse to recommend products that don’t allow them to strip commissions from them? Funny that. I actually put it to someone on here who claimed many advisers rebated ALL commissions received. I challenged them to post details of firms that do this and guess what – not one single listing. Those who do rebate – only rebate up to a certain limit. You are kidding yourself if you cannot see the utter hypocrisy of the commissioned financial planning industry when they expect people to trust them operating on a commission basis (which means they won’t recommend products that don’t allow them to strip commissions) while they themselves don’t trust payments to rating agencies. It just shows you the utter mess the FP is in when people are this ignorant and blinkered (and desperate).
  12. Brett | 21 December, 2009 at 09:51 AM
    Jeremy and AlanM- The argument you keep putting forward about advisers choosing products based on commissions levels is completely mis-informed. With 95% of products, it is the adviser that chooses the commission they take, not the product. Almost all up front/entry fees are rebateable and would be rebated in most cases. An industry standard asset based fee is 1.0%, whether this incorporates 0.5% 'commission' and 0.5% adviser service fee is irrelevant, it is just a fee to client for receiving a service. Eventually commissions will be abolished, which I totally agree with, but it is not going to have any effect on what the majority of financial planning clients are going to be charged, it will now just be a 1.0% adviser service fee, the same as before just with a different name. Not really related to this article but neither was yours Jeremy.
  13. Og | 19 December, 2009 at 02:54 AM
    Yes, don't trust those ratings, until the right level of commission is paid on the product then recommend away.
  14. AlanM | 18 December, 2009 at 03:51 PM
    This is the nature of this business - misleading information.
  15. Jeremy Smith | 18 December, 2009 at 10:24 AM
    It doesn't get any better than this - Financial planners don’t trust rating houses that rely on fund manager payments YET expect their clients to trust them when they are getting commissions from product providers. Oh how sweet it is!
  16. Matt S | 18 December, 2009 at 10:13 AM
    There is a clear conflict of interest where a find manager pays to be rated by a research house. How could such ratings be untarnished by the need to provide a favourable report to ensure the fund manager pays to be rated again the next year. This is a fundamental problem that indicates the extent of corruption wihtin the industry. The key person who pays for this is the consumer both directly and indirectly.

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